Chaotic scene as Republicans disrupt impeachment deposition
WASHINGTON — Republicans brought House Democrats’ impeachment investigation to a halt on Wednesday as around two dozen GOP House members stormed into a closed-door deposition with a Defense Department official. Democrats said the move compromised national security as some of them brought electronic devices into a secure room.
As a series of diplomats have been interviewed in the probe, several of them detailing President Donald Trump’s efforts to persuade Ukraine to investigate a political rival, many Republicans have been silent on the president’s behavior. But they have been outspoken about their disdain for Democrats and the impeachment process, saying it is unfair to them even though they have been allowed to participate.
“The members have just had it and they want to be able to see and represent their constituents and find out what’s going on,” said Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, the top Republican on the House Oversight and Reform panel. That committee is one of three leading the investigation, and its members are allowed into the closed-door hearings.
Jordan said things were at a “standstill.” And after several hours, a handful of members remained in the room. The deposition with Laura Cooper, a senior Defense Department official who oversees Ukraine policy, was temporarily on hold.
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Republican U.S. Rep. Doug LaMalfa, whose district includes most of Nevada County, said in a statement he was in the group that entered the hearing.
“Some of my House colleagues and I quietly and orderly gained access to the SCIF today,” LaMalfa said. “When we entered the room, (House Intelligence Committee Chairman) Adam Schiff and House Democrats immediately ended the hearing and left the room, bringing the witness along with him. Why is an unclassified deposition being conducted with such secrecy that sitting members of Congress are not allowed in? Out of 435 members of the House of Representatives and 325 million Americans, why does Adam Schiff get to be the sole arbiter of all things impeachment-related? Throughout both the Nixon and Clinton impeachment proceedings, the House conducted itself in an open and bipartisan manner — that couldn’t be farther from the case today. The public deserves transparency during this process — it shouldn’t be hidden from the American people in the basement of the U.S. Capitol.”
Democrats deny that Republicans are being treated unfairly, noting they have had equal time to question witnesses and full access to the meetings. But they said the lawmakers — several of whom do not sit on one of the three committees — had compromised security at the closed-door deposition. The interviews are being held in what is called a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, or SCIF, which is a totally secure room where members can hear classified information.
Several lawmakers leaving the facility said that some of the Republicans had brought their cellphones, even though electronics are not allowed. All members of Congress are familiar with the protocol of the SCIF, since they are often invited to classified briefings, and there are several such rooms around the Capitol.
Lawmakers described a chaotic scene. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said she had just walked into the room when the Republican lawmakers blew past Capitol Police officers and Democratic staffers. The staff member who was checking identification at the entrance was “basically overcome” by the Republicans, she said.
“Literally some of them were just screaming about the president and what we’re doing to him and that we have nothing and just all things that were supportive of the president,” Wasserman Schultz said.
Sen. Lindsey Graham criticized his Republican colleagues for the tactic, calling them “nuts” to make a “run on the SCIF.”
“That’s not the way to do it,” he said.
The Republicans decried that the deposition was happening behind closed doors and said Americans should be able to read the transcripts of any interviews being conducted as part of impeachment.
Democrats have promised to release the transcripts when it won’t affect their investigation, and Schiff has pushed back on the criticism of the depositions.
Schiff said in a letter to colleagues last week that “the majority and minority have been provided equal staff representation and time to question witnesses, who have stayed until the majority and the minority have asked all of their questions — often late into the evening.”
Several Republicans appeared to be tweeting from the secure room. North Carolina Rep. Mark Walker tweeted: “UPDATE: We are in the SCIF and every GOP Member is quietly listening.” Georgia Rep. Buddy Carter wrote that “my Republican colleagues and I just stormed the impeachment hearing room and finally got in.”
Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs retweeted some of his colleague’s tweets but followed up with a clarification: “All tweets sent out when I’m in the SCIF are being transmitted to staff for publication,” he wrote.
The standoff came the day after a top U.S. diplomat testified that he was told Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine until the country’s president went public with a promise to investigate Democrats. Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu of California said Republicans didn’t want to hear from Cooper because they were “freaked out” by what William Taylor told lawmakers.
“They know more facts are going to be delivered that are absolutely damning to the President of the United States,” Lieu said.
As some members remained in the room, Rep. Steven Lynch, D-Mass., said Democrats shouldn’t call security to remove the Republicans because it would be “theatrics.”
“Just having members hauled off, even though it might give some people great pleasure, I think we just have to handle it in a better fashion,” Lynch said. “Hopefully with some deliberations cooler heads will prevail.”
Associated Press writers Alan Fram and Padmananda Rama contributed from Washington.
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